|Lime Crime Lipstick Review
||[Nov. 17th, 2009|10:18 am]
|[||Tags|||||controversy, drama, eyeshadow, fraud, history, legal threat, lime crime, limecrime, lipstick, make-up, makeup, repackage, repackaging, review, scam, shady, sue||]|***************UPDATES**************
** I found this girl's review of the lipsticks to be highly entertaining. If you are thinking of buying LC's lipsticks, you should definitely head over there first before purchasing.
** The latest thing worth mentioning is Xenia being caught red-handed as the anonymous Shrinkle-basher on the examiner. This is too funny not to mention. There has been an absolutely vile hater on the examiner for quite some time now. Finally, it was PROVEN to be Mrs. Lime Crime herself! After the anonymous Shrinkle hater posted a photo "proving" that Shrinkle repackages, a good detective on the examiner verified that the camera used to take that photo was the same camera that Xenia uses many times. Please look here. This brings Xenia's shadiness to a whole new level in my opinion and this matter really needs to be spotlighted.
**Please watch this funny and HONEST review of Lime Crime makeup. Funny thing is, after this person made this video, Xenia threatened her if she didn't take it down!
**You can read a great backstory of some of Xenia's original drama where she screwed over her "friends" HERE.
I am re-posting a review that Gothique posted about Lime Crime lipstick. Grey (Gothique) was forced to remove her post because she was brought into legal matters by Lime Crime and was allegedly threatened to be sued if she didn't remove it! A lot of past customers of Lime Crime makeup feel duped by her suspecting shady business tactics, yet she is threatening to sue anyone who speaks up against her! I normally wouldn't get involved in something like this, but I think that she's gone way too far now. I will not stand for the stifling of unhappy customer's voices! For anyone who cares, here's the back story of what happened.
Here is word for word what Grey wrote, which Xenia (Lime Crime founder) then "legally" forced her to remove. Xenia THEN told Grey to falsley admit that she lied about the whole thing (which she didn't, she was merely afraid of getting sued)!
Right away I want to start this whole long mess with this : “It was really hard to be impartial believing the fraudulent nature of the way Xenia/Doe runs her company.” That being said, I think I did fairly well.
1 – The packaging. No, not the tubes, but the actual box the order comes in.I order from a lot of companies online. Everyone so far has had SOME sign of personalization in their packaging. From being hand wrapped in tissue and sealed with a sticker, to a little ‘Thanks Xxx” message on the invoice. There is the occasional business card and the free samples. No one can beat Vivka for her personalization and extras. She goes all out.
Your lipsticks will come to you in a plain and probably over-sized white box with a piece of bubble wrap and your invoice. That’s it.
For someone all about ‘creativity’ and being OMGUNIQUE it was one heck of a boring box to receive. Her eye shadows come the exact same way, minus the bubble wrap but in a mailer. I realize she pays someone to do her shipping for her, so there is a good chance Xenia never actually touched your product at all since her lipsticks are shipped to the distributor directly from the company in LA that makes them.
2 – The packaging. Yes, now I’m talking about the actual tube.Look familiar? Although I didn’t notice it right away, the general opinion is it’s a knock off of the Heatherette Collection from MAC.
Nothing mind blowingly unique or new. My favorite color is purple and the color she picked is darling. The unicorn is embarrassing, though, I would never whip my lipstick out in public to reapply it like she suggests. First of all, it’s not ladylike. Secondly I’m not sure I want people so see me using what so many have described as a ‘child’s tube of play makeup’. I suppose it’s her style, being all immature and cutesy and I am admittedly more adult and punk. If it were a pink plaid I’d be all over it.
3 – The smell. Yes, the smell.
They smell a lot like MAC. Go ahead, I’ll wait. If you have a tube of Lime Crime and a tube of MAC, go compare them. Again, sort of familiar, huh? It was literally my first thought when I opened the tube.
If you were going to come up with a COMPLETELY new formula of YOUR OWN PERSONAL lipstick, why make it smell like MAC? I spoke to my ‘beauty insider’ at the private label company and she tells me they do that on purpose to make the item more ‘familiar’. It’s a little mental suggestion you’re getting a good product by using an established smell. Did Xenia do this on purpose? I have no idea, but I’d have made it smell like something personal. Fragrance IS listed in her ingredients, so one imagines there was some choice, it’s not that the combination of ingredients just HAPPENED to smell like that, something was added to MAKE it smell that way.
All that being said, it smells nice. I already liked the smell of MAC lipsticks.
4 – The formula.
From tube to lips in one stroke. She mentions that a few times in her ‘Buzzworthy‘ video. But even watching her she has to go over her lips a few times. My lips are very deeply pigmented on their own. Right out of the tube I have to go over my lips about four or five times to get even coverage. Ok, so perhaps I’m the anomaly that requires a thicker application. If I blank out my lips with foundation I STILL need to go over them a few times. Why? This stuff is really really thick. Thick doesn’t always mean you’re going to get opaque, it just means it’s thick. My ‘beauty insider’ tells me a formula gets ‘hard’ when there is too much pigment added to the emollient base. So yes, now I might actually believe it when Doe tries to claim she argued with the ‘chemists’ to make her lipstick more pigmented. Although the chances it was actually a chemist are REALLY slim.
They also stain your lips. Which is a new one for me. Even taking the lipstick off the color had bleed into my lips leaving them stained. Which anyone can tell you is because it’s over pigmented.
The product itself is thick because the ratio of base to color is off and the pigment makes the lipstick thick and really drying. I could NOT get through the day without needing to take it all off, apply some balm, and put it all back on. It was sort of annoying.
Being so thick it’s also really hard to get a smooth application right out of the tube, so using a brush made it easier. It also means it’s really smeary. You need to be pretty careful, but after a while it just starts to ’set’ on your lips as it dries.
Do I like the formula? It’s not my favorite. I can work with it, but I have definitely seen better. I think a lot of quality was lost in demanding a heavily pigmented product. I realize that it’s sort of an industry buzz word right now, but I thought we were aiming for unique?
Is it her own formula? I think the answer to that is actually on the label itself.
Distributed ( not made)by Lime Crime.
Most people I’ve spoken to agree that the ingredients, as listed, are a generic stock formula. These same basic ingredients are found in most if not all lipsticks I looked up, there isn’t anything ‘new’ or groundbreaking in them. In fact I’ve mentioned this before, but it looks like an older stock formula since it still contains parabens, which most small cosmetic companies are actively trying to phase out and remove.
5 – The colors.
On my lips the colors don’t really look much like they do in the ’swatches’ on her site. They certainly don’t look that smooth, even, or shiny. It’s been suggested that they are photo shopped, and I think I might agree.
I’m going to break this down and do a mini-review of each color I got, D’Lilac, Styletto, My Beautiful Rocket, and Centrifuschia.
My Beautiful Rocket
Pure luminous orange without those annoying red undertones!
In general, orange is one of my favorite colors, right up there with purple. When I saw this color I was intrigued, in the first swatches on the site (although shopped) it looked promising. I thought that making two orange lipsticks in one line was a curious choice. Needless to say it’s not all that a unique a color. I picked the darker of the two, the lighter looked more like a generic peach to me.
From left to right: My Beautiful Rocket, MAC Morange and Orange Dare and Stargazer 102
You can see from the swatches that My Beautiful Rocket actually reads a bit more pumpkin then a true orange. It’s like that on my lips, too. It’s not so much bright as it’s Autumnal. It looks really nice with neutrals and browns. It would be an easy color to work into your wardrobe.
Morange is an Intensity color from MAC that’s been around (according to the MAC Pro store in OC) about five years. Orange Dare was a Limited Edition Mattene from 2007. So both of these oranges predate My Beautiful Rocket. The color on the far right, Stargazer 102 looks almost neon in the tube but it’s the more intense and ‘true’ orange of the four. It’s a ‘hunter orange’ and it’s challenging and fun to wear.
Other color matches for this shade would be : Illamasqua Blaze, NYX Round Sunflower, Barry M Orange
Luscious, creamy black that gives you 100% coverage right out of the tube!
I have worn a lot of black lipsticks. At one point living in London I could go through a tube in a month. So I’d like to call myself an expert here. The swatches on the site make the color look just amazing. Black is not a unique lip color by any means. It’s HUGE this fall and I’ve personally been wearing it for almost too long to admit.
From left to right : Styletto, MAC Midnight Media, and Stargazer #110
One application out of the tube is a dark somewhat spotty grey. To get a FULL coverage of this black it takes me a good four swipes for a deep color. Even then, I’m not sure it’s really BLACK, more of a very dark grey. It’s definably not one of those shades that are just REALLY dark blues or purples, there is no doubt this is a black. One thing working against it in that it’s shiny. I think most Goths would prefer it was a matte, more like MAC’s Midnight Media Mattene. Matte is also more wearable in general in a dark lipstick for people unused to it.
I like Styletto. I really do, although it needs to be worn thick and as I previously mentioned, it’s drying. I prefer Midnight Media, being matte it’s more forgiving to apply and wear all day. The Stargazer is a really good dupe for the Styletto, the color is virtually the same.
Other color matches for this shade would be : Illamasqua Pristine, MAC Black Knight, NYX Black Label Black Onyx
Boutique crème de lavender dessert in a tube. For post-modern Marie Antoinettes only!
This soft lilac color was actually really popular this spring and I saw a lot of companies come out with a soft purple lipstick . It’s typically not my thing, but I was curious since I could think of at least two duplicates for it without even having to try.
From left to right : D’Lilac and Stargazer 115
D’Lilac and Stargazer 115 are just about the same color.
According to MAC, Lavender Whip is available in limited distribution in some Pro stores. I’ve had mine a a while though, so I know it’s been out since Spring at least. It’s such a shockingly similar color as well.
This Lime Crime shade is almost impossible for me to wear. It doesn’t really afford enough coverage on my dark lips to make it wearable. I need SO many layers of it to make the color opaque and smooth it’s just not worth it, it gets gunky and smeary and blargh. Because it’s light precise application is a MUST so using a brush and sitting and carefully filling in your lips is the best choice. You have to be very accurate and sharp with your lines. Also I noticed that where my lips meet and touched in the middle of my mouth the color tended to wear off, leaving me with a streak of my natural color in the middle, making me constantly have to rub my lips together to keep it even.
The lighter shade on your lips is really going to draw attention to the imperfections in your skin tone as well, so I would recommend a full coverage foundation. Overall it tended to make my face look orange, and as one other reviewer commented, like she had a fake tan.
Other color matches for this shade would be : Illamasqua Liv, NYX Round Opal, NYX Round Iced Lavender, NYX Black Label Amethyst
Fuchsia, amplified to a cosmic degree.
I love bright pink lipstick . I go between that and black most often, depending on what I’m doing. It goes with the cupcake pink streak in my hair. I have about a dozen amazing bright pink shades. Sadly Centrifuschia is an incredibly generic shade.
From left to right : Centrifuschia, Urban Decay Jilted, and Calvin Klein Mesmerize
I have two colors that are already color matches, Urban Decay Jilted and Calvin Klein Mesmerize. There are so many generic shades that could dupe for this color I’m not going to bother to list them.
What this color is unique for is staining my lips. Of the four Lime Crime lipsticks I ordered, this one was insanely difficult to remove.
As for the other colors in the collection, I suggest the following colors as alternatives (dupes).
Airborne Unicorn : Barry M Lavender, NYX Black Label Seductive, Stargazer 130, MAC Rebel, Illamasqua Underworld
Cosmopop : Barry M Peachy Pink, NYX Black Label Aurora, Stargazer 101, MUFE #201,
Countessa Flouressa : Barry M Vibrant Pink, NYX Narcissus, Stargazer 136, MAC Girl About Town , MUFE #203
Great Pink Planet : Barry M Baby Pink, NYX Strawberry Milk, Stargazer 122, MAC Pink Nouveau
No She Didn’t : Stargazer 104, MAC Blue Eve, MAC Blast o Blue
Retrofutirist : Stargazer 135, NYX Black Label Garnet, NYX Round Hero, Barry M Pillar Box Red, Kat Von D Underage Crimson or Hellbent, I could go on forever, there are so many red lipsticks out there. My favorite right now is Chanel Red Dragon
6- To Conclude
Knowing what I know now about the lipsticks alone, I certainly would not purchase any of these again.
Furthermore, I’m not crazy about giving my money to someone who I don’t find to be very honest or sincere. Her ‘persona’ (and yes, that’s the word I’m going to use) seems fake to me and I won’t buy into it.
- I was able to find almost dead on color matches to each of them, ruling out the much touted concept that they were unique and that no other company was making theses colors.
- They are really expensive for a mediocre formula.
- The formula isn’t my favorite. I think if Xenia was able to sit down and tweak it (but again, pretty sure it’s private label anyway) she might be able to smooth and thin these out without loosing color payoff.
- The packaging isn’t appealing to me. I was showing them to the ladies at the high end counters where my friend now works in Macy’s and the general opinion from these makeup mavens was that it looked cheap.
hi I followed you from the examiner.
Thanks, I hope this won't get taken down
Well, I don't plan on removing it. :)
i don't understand what she could sue for based on what i've read. it's an opinion. nowhere does your friend say, "lime crime is overpigmented." she says, "lime crime stains your lips, which might be because of overpigmenting."
i don't think that the lime crime chick has anything solidly legal against your friend at all.
Exactly. Lime Crime is trying to hush all of her unssatisfied customers by threatening to sue them and I will not stand for it.
Xenia needs to understand what defamation means legally.
The elements that must be proved to establish defamation are:
1. a publication to one other than the person defamed;
2. a false statement of fact;
3. that is understood as
* a. being of and concerning the plaintiff; and
* b. tending to harm the reputation of plaintiff.
4. If the plaintiff is a public figure, he or she must also prove actual malice.
Is truth a defense to defamation claims?
Yes. Truth is an absolute defense to a defamation claim. But keep in mind that the truth may be difficult and expensive to prove.
Can my opinion be defamatory?
No—but merely labeling a statement as your "opinion" does not make it so. Courts look at whether a reasonable reader or listener could understand the statement as asserting a statement of verifiable fact. (A verifiable fact is one capable of being proven true or false.) This is determined in light of the context of the statement. A few courts have said that statements made in the context of an Internet bulletin board or chat room are highly likely to be opinions or hyperbole, but they do look at the remark in context to see if it's likely to be seen as a true, even if controversial, opinion ("I really hate George Lucas' new movie") rather than an assertion of fact dressed up as an opinion ("It's my opinion that Trinity is the hacker who broke into the IRS database").
For someone to be found guilty of defamation, it has to be a lie.
I found this page:http://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation
extremely helpful when I was served a cease and desist by Orglamix for leaving a negative review about their makeup. You can see that here:http://frescophyrra.blogspot.com/2009/11/cease-desist-letter-from-cheri-tracy-of.htmlEdited at 2009-11-17 07:54 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting all of this. Her whole history is full of scandals and lies which can easily be proved and put together for a case. She's just freaking out because everyone is wanting their money back + she is losing $ from lack of sales now that the jig is up.
2009-11-17 07:54 pm (UTC)
Good on you, keep it up!
If anyone else wants to help or repost information like this on their own blog, you should all try to link to any negative Lime Crime reviews using a [ URL] or < a href> tag with the word "Lime Crime" and nothing else. This means when people google "Lime Crime" those negative posts are moved up in the google search.
I am really interested in this topic.
2009-11-17 10:23 pm (UTC)
i followed this link from googling "lime crime" in the past 24 hours
to try to understand what the fuss was about that made doedeere post her defensive blog today.
and while i agree that what has been circulated online via blogs and reviews does not constitute defamation, nor does most of it seem untrue....
i must say that i think it's a bit mean spirited to criticize the packaging as being too cutesy. i happen to like the unicorn lipsticks' designs a lot and i am 26 years old. i consider myself adult and punk as well, but i don't need to avoid pink packaging or unicorns to prove it. i think you make a mistake here in suggesting something that is ultra feminine, childlike, or whimsical would automatically be the antithesis to being mature.
2009-11-17 10:32 pm (UTC)
Re: i followed this link from googling "lime crime" in the past 24 hours
I didn't write it, I am just reposting it because the original author was threatened to be SUED by Xenia (Lime Crime) if she did not remove it! Since when are we not allowed to honestly review a beauty product? Is she above the law? She apparently thinks so, or is at least trying to appear that way by stating this review was illegal in some way!
Thank you for posting this .
2009-11-18 01:58 am (UTC)
Thank you so much for reposting this! I can't believe Xenia actually threatened to sue Grey over her review and LC articles. I doubt she has any legitimate grounds for legal action and is just using scare tactics to silence critics.
2009-11-18 08:42 am (UTC)
I don't really understand - xenia said it is completely NOT true that she doesn't make her own products and grey was trying to prove that they were repackaged, which, if xenia is telling the truth (and come on, she so can't afford to lie about that) then Grey is spreading lies about her company...why wouldn't she be angry about that? I would be. Yes taking down the review was harsh, but I think Grey has such strong feelings about xenia (look at a 'history of limecrime'..obsessive) that I won't judge xenia too much for wanting her to take it all down I guess.
And one more thing; it's a little harsh to compare her products to mac and stuff and say how they wouldn't threaten to sue etc...but this is her first company, if people are spreading lies, it will affect her greatly.
I hope you all don't succeed in bringing down her company, because I will really miss her make up range. Thankfully people are making their minds up for themselves after reading all this (most people know about this whole scandal - you don't need to keep shoving it in their faces) and still supporting limecrime.
I'm sorry you are so hurt by limecrime, but don't spoil it for those who have had nothing but good experiences with the company.
2009-11-18 08:51 am (UTC)
Lies in this 'non bias review' include implying she made up the lab.
"so there is a good chance Xenia never actually touched your product at all since her lipsticks are shipped to the distributor directly from the company in LA that makes them" - suggesting she doesnt make her own product, which is a LIE about her company
- "Is it her own formula? I think the answer to that is actually on the label itself."
you keep implying that she is telling lies
"although the chances it was actually a chemist are REALLY slim."
can you see why she is angry??
You see, there is reason for speculation that she was not testing those lipsticks in a lab. Why? Well, for one, labs are extremely sanitary places where you wear head to toe suits to prevent spreading germs, etc. onto the items in testing. You would NOT be testing the lipsticks while wearing a dress, with no gloves and testing them on your wrist. Second, the machine she was using to test the products was unplugged!
THESE are the reasons for people questioning this--which is okay to do! If she wasn't frantically deleting and threatening all the negative questions people have, and was instead answering them head-on, there would not be NEARLY as much drama surrounding her! My feelings on why she's not answering everyone's questions? She has a lot to hide. She underestimated her fans and customer's intelligence and is now paying the price.
Thank you for posting this! I found out about this drama a few weeks ago because she was posted on a livejournal community I frequently lurk. I followed the drama almost religiously but never contributed to discussions or blogs, but now I'm going to contribute. This behaviour is appauling- she is now censoring where the "haters" only output is. I'm not an ex-fan of hers, I haven't bought any of her products, infact I've only recently started getting into make-up in general, but her attitude and constant craving for attention has really put me off her and her company.
I agree. I have never once contributed to any of the Lime Crime drama, which has gone on for years now. I have been watching the unfolding of this current fiasco silently from both sides and finally felt that it was time for me to stand up for the people!
I completely agree on your point about the colours not matching the ones on the website. I got mine in the mail and was like 'whaaaat?' because they look SO different, and not in a great way...I was definitely disappointed. The texture is definitely weird too. Kind of peels off in little balls? I don't know. I kind of wish I'd invested that money into some other lipstick brands, but whatever.
I do LOVE the tube though, although my mother thinks it looks kiddy and tacky, but that's a style thing.
Lawsuits are time-consuming and a huge headache. Grey mentioned her reason for complying with Xenia was because she didn't want to get involved with such a mess as going to court would be. Everything is not always fair in court and sometimes guilty people win. Many times it comes down to who has the better lawyer (paid more money)?
If Xenia were to somehow prove herself innocent (meaning, Grey didn't have enough free time like Xenia does to do ALL of her homework) that would mean that Grey would have to pay all of Xenia's lawyer and court fees, her own lawyer fees and the lawsuit on top of it. It's really not worth it.
I think Xenia is all talk though because she's threatened to sue people numerous times over the year and has proven time and time again to be all bark and no bite. It doesn't mean that she won't follow through this time, but I seriously doubt it. I don't think she has a good enough case personally. With all of the evidence against her, she would have some mighty balls to take someone to court.
2009-11-19 07:02 pm (UTC)
Did you see this?
Yes, please unlock it; I'd really like to get to the truth of this matter
Only thing that bothers me in regards to this article is that it says companies are actively removing parabens from their products, when this is entirely false. Parabens have NEVER been proven to cause breakouts, cancer, or anything of the sort (do your research, go to cancer.gov and they are not linked to cancer as it will happily tell you) and are usually about .01% to .3% of the product make-up (they are approved for up to 25%). They keep your lipstick from MOLDING. I hate the scare mineral cosmetic companies are starting about parabens. *facedesk*
Other than that, dead on. But this whole thing is getting out of hand, both the people against Xenia, and Xenia herself....
2009-12-01 09:13 am (UTC)
Defamation (slander) is illegal.
While Grey's blog did comment on her unhappiness with Xenia's makeup line, she also slandered Xenia herself. Claiming she was a liar, a fake, and a fraud. Her only proof being images of swatches of other colors similiar to Lime Crime.
One cannot bring malicious charges against any kind of company, or individual without asking to be sued.
Perhaps, if Grey truly believed Lime Crime was a fraud, she would have fought against the ruling or would be involved in an active suit against the company itself.
Surely, major magazines, blogs, and models would not risk their reputations by advertising generic, fake, repackaged materials without first researching the process.
Her unicorn packaging is adorable, and obviously not for everyone. I personally am sick of seeing everything labeled as "punk".
I have ordered many items from Xenia. Makeup, clothes, music, ect. Her customer service is great, and she is one of the nicest people I have ever communicated with.
While looking at the swatches of color, does anyone else notice that the LC colors are indeed brighter, and more deep than that of it's rivals?
Look at the two colors of D'Lilac and Stargazer. Stargazer looks greasy, and appears to be a weak shade.
My Beautiful Rocket, described as an orange without red undertones.
Pumpkin is a shade of bright orange. The alternatives that have been listed with My Beautiful Rocket, have severly ugly red undertones, and once again the Stargazer comes off looking tacky and greasy.
I love Lime Crime's makeup line and I recommend it for anyone who knows the difference between makeup and a mask.
Remember, makeup is meant enhance your natural features and it is not meant to hide behind or to cover up your own insecurities.
While Grey may prefer to "cake" on her makeup repeatedly, I prefer a smooth one or two coats.
While many people support the Mineral Makeup Mutiny, I have found that alot of their so called "unique" makeup sellers, do in fact have just as many similarities to bigger companies' products.
2009-12-01 01:57 pm (UTC)
I don't know why my comment wasn't posted before - but i'll give it another go;
What makes this review suspicious to me is not only that it is implied that xenia has not made her own products etc (which would be a lie, and make the review a tad bias, not to mention Grey doesn't reeeally like xenia that much) but that the lipsticks I have brought from her just aren't what is described here at all. I have only countessa and airborne unicorn but they are gorgeous, feel great on the lips and last forever.
I just want to say for anyone looking for an incredibly bright pink that isn't drying and lasts ages, Countessa is really worth it! everyone who has seen me wearing it thinks so too :-)
and airborne unicorn is such a luminous, divine purple!
Different lipsticks work for different people a lot of the time. I think my LC lippies are perfect and am grateful to LC for making them.
2009-12-11 07:10 pm (UTC)
lime crime is crap
a friend of mine got some of the lipsticks and neither of us liked them. you have to apply a TON of it to make it opaque, and then it settles into the lines in your lips and is so heavy and gunky at that point(the link provided in another post proves that, even though i believe they were trying to defend the lipsticks-FAIL). on another note, i think its VERY clear that xenia is a repackager, i mean come on, with all the evidence, swatches, her behavior etc., i think its obvious, and anyone who chooses not to believe that is lying to themselves or seriously deluded. sometimes the truth hurts, BUT ITS THE TRUTH NONETHELESS. i hope all of you people are in the near future enlightened, so that xenia, or anyone else for that matter, is not able to scam you as she has sooo many others.
2010-01-23 02:31 am (UTC)
Its funny that you complain about Xenias limecrime makeup packaging as cheap when you claim yourself a Stargazer fan...THEY ARE cheap
Perhaps you should write this to the author instead of me if you're looking to insult this review. I clearly wrote that I copy and pasted what the author was asked to remove so this could still be shown. I could care less about LC or Stargazer makeup. They're both tacky to me.
2010-01-30 03:17 am (UTC)
i found this googling for a review of limecrime's lipsticks.
this is an older post, and i realize you are not the original author of this review. while i will look elsewhere for my lipsticks because i don't agree with her decision to freak out and sue people for not liking her product... (as an internet personality, even a smaller one, you need to have tougher skin than this. there are billions of people online, not all of them are going to agree with you or like you or your product. attempting to squash people's negative opinions with draconian measures is stupid, and meanspirited. if 4chan had a makeup board, she'd be drowning in trolls causing drama over that in 10 minutes flat.)
i do think the original reviewer of the lipsticks was a bit hard on her, however. yes, i can see how she may dislike the product and that's fine. in the case of her eyeshadows where she claims that she mixes these original colors that she just repackaged, i can see why people pointed it out, but yes, every lipstick color has been made before. that doesn't mean they are easy to find, especially for those who don't want to spend a lot of time shopping for makeup. and though the original reviewer may dislike the formula, and that's fine, it's still a little bit petty to decide to basically tell everyone what basically amounts to "don't buy this lipstick. go buy these other, similar shades from other companies!" if it were my company i'd be a bit miffed, too.
i'm sorry to hear that the formula is so uncomfortable to wear... i'm a cosplayer and when i go to conventions and things, i need lipstick that absolutely does not go anywhere and is easy to apply, because people will randomly take your picture constantly and it's a pain to touch up your lipstick all the time. and i like intense colors and often have trouble finding opaque colors at all, so i was looking forward to trying limecrime lipstick, what the reviewer said about the makeup staining the lips would have been an advantage, but the part about it being smeary and difficult to apply and her wigging out and trying to sue someone who gave her a negative review... those all concern me. thank you for reposting this so that i didn't give my money to someone who treats others like that.
2010-01-30 10:37 am (UTC)
Re: i found this googling for a review of limecrime's lipsticks.
2010-02-24 02:12 am (UTC)
I found this review to be very useful for all the dupes. I don't really have anything against lime crime....other than the price.
That being said...I got The Barry M 147 peachy pink as a dupe for cosmopop...and It is not even close. I love my 147, but its not near the same. Just a little heads up.
I got the dupe for D'lilac, and I love it!
2010-02-24 07:25 pm (UTC)
When she was trading on she sold repackaged dust eyeshadows and was honest about it, and from my memory the colours she sold on ebay are similair to the shades she has on the website, which isnt really orginal. I believe the lipsticks are her own, from the reviews I have read as their seems to be an issue with their application as you have to add your own moisture,but most are willing to overlook this becuase the colours are popping. I hope she looks to these posts and reconsiders her formula as we all dont have perfect lips like hers and for $16 I would expect a little more.
2010-03-11 05:55 pm (UTC)
thank u so much for uploading this! i have recently found grey's blog and i am really enjoying her reviews.
as far as Lime Crime goes.....once i try the products i'll give my 2 cents worth......in the mean time its nice to have comparative reviews around such as this and ones from the hardcore fans to aid my decision in purchasing these goods.
At the end of the day, i personally feel that everyone's forgetting the number one rule when selling a product.....
the customer is always right.
and they have a right to voice their satisfaction/dissatisfaction. after the reviews i've seen on makeupalley.com against bigger companies that are a hell of a lot closer to slander/defamation i think this whole situation while hilarious, is a tad highschool-esk and childish.
but hey its totally worth the LoLs =)
2010-04-12 09:19 pm (UTC)
Amy (Shrinkle) and Xenia used to be good friends back in the day when they both made clothing and then they got into a fight and now realllyyy dislike eachother (if not hate) so it doesnt surprise me at all that Xenia was on a board talking some shit. Especially now that Amy has her own successful make-up company. reeer!
2010-06-27 11:56 pm (UTC)
From the perspective of someone new to this information
This is the first time i've even heard about this. After reading, here's my thoughts...
- what someone is wearing in a PR shoot is irrelevant. If the props are put together properly, big deal. That's a small business budget or lousy PR company, or inexperience if trying to do it yourself. It is far from proof of anything other than this.
- comparing shades means nothing either. some of the top brands have released shades over the years that you would swear are the same one. Lab results on the breakdown of the 2 products would be something worth discussing. visually looking at two shades is not.
- regarding colours and shades viewed on the internet compared to in real life. Colours differ on monitors, which is exactly why CMYK and RGB codes were invented in the first place... to take away visual errors and replace with logic structure. this is common knowledge and i'm surprised to find this element referenced at all.
- There is nothing factual about behavior, its emotive. arguments can easily be structured on any point of view, based completely on which perspective you choose to focus on. re threating law suits, taking down post.. on both sides.
For what it's worth, my personal view is that i have no idea of the truth about it, I didn't even know about all this. I found this blog completely by accident, while i was searching for people who sell the lipsticks! I purchased 4 colours around a year ago, black, blue, pink, lavender. I bought them from a shop called shanalogic. I am not in the US, many online shops don't post internationally and aren't available in australia. My 4 lipsticks are great. i and my 7 yr old daughter use them, they glide on smoothly 1st swipe, stay on, and are accurate to the pics.
I read this post to find out about it before i bought any more. I haven't changed my mind as the whole thing is based on personal feelings, mostly about the person NOT the product. Taking away all that, what's left is posts from people who have used them, but I've used them too I didn't have the same problems so I have to base that on my own experience. Other than that, most of it is very loose speculation on indirect things like photos etc that really come across as someone TRYING to find reasons to justify an opinion. I'm a very fair and open minded person, I like to learn new things and will listen to anything and give things a go. I'm also very logical and reasonable, and base things on facts rather than emotion.
I'm glad this post is here, I know it is a repost so this is not a dig at anyone for expressing their opinions, it's important to do so, and lets me consider it and make my own decision. My intention in writing this is to point out that from a 'newbie' point of view, reading this hasn't impacted at all on buying lime crime or not, nothing here that says to me 'wow this is thought provoking to make me think twice about it because of the evidence presented'. It left me with 'wow there are a lot of people who know this person and don't like her'. I don't know her, and I don't know anyone who owns the businesses of products I buy. I'm interested in the product, not the personality of the owner of the business. If there is any basis to all of this, I would like to read a balanced factual report of it, including the steps and results taken which indicate the basis for the conclusion. I encourage those who strongly believe in it to pursue it further and post something that will actually impact people not to buy.
I will be following this situation to see if anything other than speculation and personal beefs are presented, in the meantime I will be buying more as there is no reason given here why I shouldn't. Thank you for posting this all, it has been interesting reading lol.